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I would hope that he wouldn't push that far with someone else, let alone me!

[Like he expects Casey to actually use his damned head and think, not whatever that whole thing was.]

And we never did anything as stupid, and you know it.

If it's something he believes he can somehow fix or help with, of course he'll push.

Don't make me rattle off half the shit we did at 14-16. Cause I can.

Well he can't fix this.

[And there is an eye roll.]

None of what we faced involved guns, Leo.

Donnie, you forget teenagers are determined as fuck. He will keep trying because he loves you. It's also the family way to keep going even when the odds are against us. We be We. [An old motto that still lives with Leonardo even now.]

We literally ran into battles half cocked with no idea what we were doing. We willingly ate poison when Raph told us not to.... [He arches a tired eye ridge back at Donnie.] You can keep insisting we were somehow smarter, but we weren't. We never were.

I don't know what we'll do collectively. I'm just asking you, genuinely, talk to Casey, apologize. Make it right with him.

I don't want you two to stop being family, or a rift to form because of this.

Okay let me put it like this, I expect better from Junior.

[As to the rest of Leo's words, he just huffs. In his opinion he has nothing to apologize for! But not saying that, when he knows Leo might try to wail on him if he says that out loud.]

If any of that happens it's not because of me.

And I expect better from you.

[He states firmly and simply back. He doesn't intend to sound so... Raph level of disappointed, but it comes through regardless.]

So, if Casey takes your threat seriously and recoils from you, you're not going to take any blame for that?

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I have no control over how he reacts to things, and you know that, Leo.

[If he had that kind of control they wouldn't be in this situation! Also maybe the disappointment gets to him, but it's very brief.

Also, that sounds a lot like asking for empathy from him Leo.]

I am very aware, but, I expect you to be aware of how much he looks up to you and cares about your dumb ass. [He'll start throwing shit again, don't test him.]

Remember you're actually the adult, since you bring it up plenty about the teen versions of us come up at all.

Well he shouldn't. [If Leo starts throwing shit again, Donnie will use his ninpo to toss his brother out on his ass.]

That's different and you know it.

You can't control how he feels about you, nor can he control what your reactions are Donnie. I'm telling you, bluntly, plainly, no frills or delicateness. He's your only nephew, and you've made him afraid of you.

Tell me how it's different.

[He just lets out a little disgruntled noise at that first bit.]

It's different because of everything that happened to us that hasn't happened to them.

It doesn't mean they wouldn't make the same choices we did if put in those situations. They're us, Donnie. Just slightly to the left.

Somehow I doubt they would, but whatever helps you feel better about being around them, Leo.

Donnie, I'm not exactly showing up and hanging out with the damn kids. [He says with a frustrated sign.] They're us. They're us with better prospects and time.

If the situations were reversed, I'd help an older version of you, or at least try.

あなたは一人じゃない [His Japanese is less clumsy these days. Far more practiced, even if he hasn't spoken it since Usagi's death.] Remember?

[Uuuuuugh, especially with Leo whipping out that phrase. He doesn't mean too, but he does roll his eyes a little.]

Yeah, yeah. Can't really forget it, after all.

If you can't forget it, maybe try to keep it in mind. Keep it in mind as to why Casey keeps trying, why the teens would want to help.

All we ever have is each other. You know?

I know, but. There's also knowing when something is a worthless endeavor, Leo.

Us trying to help you isn't a 'worthless endeavor', you fucking idiot. [He will throw hands again-]

You can't handle everything by yourself.

If you weren't needing to stay still right now I'd slap you. [Even though he doesn't feel like fighting right now.]

I can certainly find a solution that isn't the nuclear option, Leo.

Go ahead and slap me, might as well! [He will be a pain in the ass.]

Your option so far has been telling us to go away while you wither away in a lab. How is that not the nuclear option. [He gives a frustrated sigh, starting to push himself to stand. Ready to smack Donnie if he takes a swing with a improvised weapon.]

I'm just asking you to actually let us help! Even if it's keeping us in the damn loop!

Oh my god.

[Proof of how annoyed he is, he didn't use the family ohmigosh. And if Leo is trying to get up? So will he.]

I'm not withering away, for one. And if anything changes I'll tell you, now stop fucking moving.

Yeah, not yet, but you sure know how bad it gets later. [Moving sucks, 0/10. Leonardo is trying to not mess up the resin as he tries to just stay standing on his feet.]

I'm trying to leave, so I don't mess up your lab any worse.

The resin isn't set, so you're not going anywhere! [And he is stumbling to get Leo to sit his ass back down, anything else?

Forgotten to make sure his stupid, stupid brother doesn't split his chest open.]

Oh my god- [Both of them are at a fun level of annoyed.]

I can go lay down on the ground or something out of your way. [He'll likely try swatting Donnie away, but he is easy enough to push back into the seat.]

No, you're going to sit your ass do-- [Woop, Donnie is more wobbly than he thought, so he has to brace himself on the table.]

Just. Sit. Please. [He's actually pleading with that please.]

For once won't any of you listen to me?

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